Posts by FatFreek 2005

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Hello everyone! I could use some advice

by SnailsPace2 in

most of the time i just lurk .

lots of times throughout the day.

however, something has come up that i would like some advice on, especially from members who were exiting the jw religion with young children.. .

FatFreek 2005

He is also starting to ask questions about why I dont attend the meetings anymore.

Good for him. It is ironic that your son is six and that there at least two yearbook examples of six-year olds that have been baptized -- which shows the society's position on the matter. That's awfully close to infant baptism, in my opinion.

I believe he's old enough, however, to under this 11 minute read (for grown-ups). At least, the concept of it all. Called The Great Watchtower Contradiction, it's mild enough for new ones to understand -- strong enough to give even the most seasoned JW serious pause.

Len

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Tech49 visits Bethel: Part 1-Patterson

by Tech49 in

i thought that it was a good time to post my experience about visiting new york last spring.

enough time has passed that no one can put my experiences together with any kind of timeline..... so our family discussed the trip to the holy land (ny bethel), as none of us had ever been.

anyone who is anyone knows that you aren't really a good jw christian until you visit bethel!

FatFreek 2005

Tell us a little about the museum. Anything there that can be misconstrued as idolism -- photographs of principals of old -- Russell, Rutherford, Father Miller (yes, he was referred to as Father as late as 1926 or so), Knorr, Franz, etc.

Len

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Where you the door knocker encourager in your congregation?

by jam in

to be honest i figured until i received some pleasure, enjoyment.

in waking people up on their day off, there was no way i was going.

to pressure anyone else to do the same.

FatFreek 2005

Hey, Stand for Pure Worship. A lifesaving work is it? Here's a question for you. Are you still teaching the Watchtower contradiction found here? That's a link to The Great Watchtower Contradiction

Len

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"Truth expiry date July 2017" -- this a Youtube joke?

by FatFreek 2005 in

i just stumbled on this youtube video of some 1 minute in length.

the originator says he found this by chance when thumbing through the jan 1, 2012 watchtower magazine.

at the bottom of the last page the statement reads, "truth expiry date july 2017".

FatFreek 2005

If someone has that issue of the Watchtower, posting a scan would be appreciated by all. At the very least, report on what you see -- or don't see to confirm what we see in the video -- or NOT. If not, the poster has done a great disservice to all. We don't need a hoax to show that Watchtower is a cult and is full of contradictions and lies.

Len

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"Truth expiry date July 2017" -- this a Youtube joke?

by FatFreek 2005 in

i just stumbled on this youtube video of some 1 minute in length.

the originator says he found this by chance when thumbing through the jan 1, 2012 watchtower magazine.

at the bottom of the last page the statement reads, "truth expiry date july 2017".

FatFreek 2005

I just stumbled on this Youtube video of some 1 minute in length. The originator says he found this by chance when thumbing through the Jan 1, 2012 Watchtower magazine. At the bottom of the last page the statement reads, "truth expiry date July 2017". Shortly following his expose of that statement, a little window pops up which says, "this was not serious".

What do you make of it?
Len

ps: you'll have to copy and paste the link in your browser field as my Chrome editor in JWN won't allow me to paste links.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RrZo5wdSgo

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Have you read C.T. Russell's controversial view of "new light"?

by Island Man in

"if we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now: but with god there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from god must be like its author.

a new view of truth never can contradict a former truth.

new light never extinguishes older light, but adds to it.

FatFreek 2005

"A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth."

That's a great C.T. Russell quote, one that most modern day JWs would agree with -- if they only knew.

That what makes "The Great Watchtower Contradiction" so effective. It exposes Watchtower by revealing the single most outrageous Watchtower contradiction that most of us (ex-JWs) have seen and that most JWs have not seen. It goes beyond the regular exposé by answering two vital questions: why they've contradicted themselves on this single issue and why most JWs are not even aware that it's happened. It does it from Watchtower's own publications and encourages the person to get their own WT Library CD for verification. It does it without arguing subjective doctrine, which, as you know is like talking to your cat. It's An 11 minute read, 19 minutes if you include all the supporting endnote references.

Len

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Help with a part in the ministry school... teaches TTATT subtly

by ILoveTTATT in

my gf has the part "why are there so many religions".... i need to place some ttatt seeds very subtly... i don't care if they go right above most jw's heads... .

any ideas?.

.

FatFreek 2005

The following essay link is designed for newly interested ones but JWs had better be prepared. More and more householders are asking the JW an embarrasing question contained herein. "The Great Watchtower Contradiction" exposes Watchtower by revealing the single most outrageous Watchtower contradiction that most of us (ex-JWs) have seen and that most JWs have not seen. It goes beyond the regular exposé by answering two vital questions: why they've contradicted themselves on this single issue and why most JWs are not even aware that it's happened. It does it from Watchtower's own publications and encourages the person to get their own WT Library CD for verification. It does it without arguing subjective doctrine, which, as you know is like talking to your cat. It's An 11 minute read, 19 minutes if you include all the supporting endnote references.

Len

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Would like your input on creating a Quiz regarding failed Jw doctrine

by notjustyet in

for the benefit of my children and others that you think might enjoy it.. i recently bought a 40.00 program that allows a teacher or other person to create a quiz or test for students.

i can enter all the info into the quiz and make it available to any and all that want to visit it online to take the quiz but i need help in coming up with some good questions and also the right answers.

the objective is to be able to relevent info into my childrens minds so that they will have less of a chance of being brought back into this cult in the near future.

FatFreek 2005

Q. Who was Watchtower's first president? (it was not CT Russell)

Q. Mormons formally disavowed their practice of multiple wives in the 1890's. JW's did in 1888, 1907, 1927, 1947. (it was 1947) See link.

Q. William Miller was the first prominent end-times predictor (Google "Millerites' Great Disappointment", 1844). Watchtower referred to him as "father Miller" as late as 1874, 1878, 1915, 1923, Never. (link)

Q. The following WT quotation is argueably a blatant lie: "At times explanations given by Jehovah’s visible organization have shown adjustments, seemingly to previous points of view. But this has not actually been the case." The Watchtower (WT), 1981, 12/1 p. 27) They have, in fact, reversed the teaching of Sodomite resurrection X times. [X = 2, 5, 7 (link)]

Len Miller (great, great, great grandson of William -- NOT)

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WATCHTOWER CD ROM to be TERMINATED

by The Searcher in

imho!!!.

reasons?

just have a look at one or two of my very many favorites from the wt library.

FatFreek 2005

Perry: However, the WT unashamedly claims that their writings are equal to the word of God:

Watchtower December 15, 2008, pg 28 –

“Our coming to know, the truth - the entire body of
Christian teachings that has become part of the
Bible - and adhering to it are essential for our
salvation”.

That's a powerful accusation, Perry. You may be right -- but I'm not certain that quotation supports your claim.

A JW may simply respond by saying "the entire body of Christian teachings were, in fact, scripture compiled into the organized entity now known as the Bible.

Len

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Anonymous Email

by turtleturtle in

i am thinking of sending an anonymous email to some jdubs i know (im in).

i want to only pub a number of references (example: w62 8/1 p. 0).. .

what do you think would be most effective..

FatFreek 2005

The following essay link is designed for newly interested ones but JWs had better be prepared. More and more householders are asking the JW an embarrasing question contained herein. "The Great Watchtower Contradiction" exposes Watchtower by revealing the single most outrageous Watchtower contradiction that most of us (ex-JWs) have seen and that most JWs have not seen. It goes beyond the regular exposé by answering two vital questions: why they've contradicted themselves on this single issue and why most JWs are not even aware that it's happened. It does it from Watchtower's own publications and encourages the person to get their own WT Library CD for verification. It does it without arguing subjective doctrine, which, as you know is like talking to your cat. It's An 11 minute read, 19 minutes if you include all the supporting endnote references.

Len